r/technology Nov 30 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 4 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Got the W 1 Today I Learned 1 Shocked 1 Super Heart Eyes 1

San Francisco will allow police to deploy robots that kill Robotics/Automation

https://apnews.com/article/police-san-francisco-government-and-politics-d26121d7f7afb070102932e6a0754aa5
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u/Alert_Salt7048 Nov 30 '22 Gold Wholesome Take My Energy

How about ones that pick up garbage?

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u/nilsfg Nov 30 '22

"You, citizen, pick up that can"

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u/PiranhaCount Nov 30 '22

Are they robots? It's been a long time since I played half-life 2

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u/nilsfg Nov 30 '22

They're brainwashed human collaborators, so they're basically robots.

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u/WormSlayer Nov 30 '22

They are human collaborators but they have not undergone "enhancement" by the combine, so they are no more robotic than any other fascist cop.

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u/Menny_Okega Nov 30 '22 Helpful

Unfortunately if you make any robot that does anything other than attack, people will destroy it for no reason.

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u/Zachmrtn Nov 30 '22 Helpful

That's why they need a garbage robot that kills anyone who fucks with it

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u/AntiGravityBacon Nov 30 '22

It can already remove the evidence. Seems like a natural progression of features.

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u/Wiggles69 Nov 30 '22

Sounds like a win-win since the sort of people that would attack a litter picking robot are absolutely the sort of people that would throw their garbage on the ground.

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u/Scarletfapper Nov 30 '22

True, but it also means that authorities can just “clean up” anyone they don’t like and have the plausible deniability of calling it “routine maintenance”.

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u/cyrathil Nov 30 '22

Uncle Sam:

"I like your funny words, future-man. "

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u/guerroconpollo Nov 30 '22

Guy's, you're missing the point.

A robot that kills people that litter. It's that's simple. Get two birds stoned at once or whatever.

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u/Thawed Nov 30 '22

The robot should eradicate any humans it detects initially, then the killing can be slowly dialled back until an appropriate level of wanton murder is found.

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u/HomelessAhole Nov 30 '22

I'm going into elctro mechanical engineering and I'm saving this idea for later.

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u/ThufirrHawat Nov 30 '22

"Pick up that can....you have 20 seconds to comply!"

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u/tipp2ozma Nov 30 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy

Y'know, I'm not ok arming a police bot, BUT I am ok arming aN anti-litter bot. Fuck with a lil robot picking up trash ? KER POW. KNEE CAPPED.

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u/Eccomi21 Nov 30 '22

Wall-E had enough of your shit

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u/Anonymous7056 Nov 30 '22 Helpful

"My name is Wall-E, not Mer-C."

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u/RIP_Mitch_Hedberg Nov 30 '22

“And I’m here to clean … (cocks gun) … the streets.”

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u/realmastodon2 Nov 30 '22

This summer Wall-E is no longer playing any games. He will clean planet earth through violence.

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u/Program-Continuum Nov 30 '22

Wall-E is going to compact your sorry ass

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u/bbcversus Nov 30 '22

And I would definitely watch that movie!

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u/appdevil Nov 30 '22

WALL-E 2: Judgment Day

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u/Shaddo Nov 30 '22

EEEVVVIIIILLLL

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u/hopecanon Nov 30 '22

Every Wall-E unit sold comes with a complementary Glock-U companion bot to help ensure your investment is safe and secure on the job.

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u/Saith_Cassus Nov 30 '22

DEAD OR ALIVE, YOU’RE CLEANING WITH ME

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u/CartmansEvilTwin Nov 30 '22

Removes garbage, human or otherwise.

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u/Nuggzulla Nov 30 '22

The inevitable conclusion

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u/drewster23 Nov 30 '22

Any tampering and it urns into one of those battle bots, spinning hammer to take out the knees, or one of those saw blades to chop you down. After your lying their mangled crippled you're no longer observed as a threat it just goes back to cleaning up litter.

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u/Rigaudon21 Nov 30 '22

Sweeping your mangled, bleeding body as you writhe in pain into its comically oversized garbage bag.

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u/Rodney890 Nov 30 '22

This is both infuriating and valid.

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u/StaredAtEclipseAMA Nov 30 '22

RIP Hitchbot!

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u/Kizik Nov 30 '22

Made it all the way across Canada, no problems. Set foot into Philly, got mugged, stabbed, and shot.

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u/norway_is_awesome Nov 30 '22

The Gang meets Hitchbot

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u/Busquessi Nov 30 '22

HitchBot is still safe in Canada’s Technology Museum. I think it was HitchBot 2 that got murdered in Philly.

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u/Vulkan192 Nov 30 '22

Don’t forget ‘stabbed again, beaten with a blunt object, and had his arms ripped off’.

City of Brotherly Love, baby!

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u/FeelingSurprise Nov 30 '22

He even toured through Europe (at least Germany IIRC) without problems.

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u/patkgreen Nov 30 '22

Right, but Philly

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u/gatorfan8898 Nov 30 '22

Man hitchbot was inspiring/neat story for awhile but then such a bummer… trashy humans gon trashy human.

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u/Xenjael Nov 30 '22

I mean how could the programmers forget the most basic of human laws. You never fucking go to Philly.

This is going to end up as one of the early robotic laws.

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u/OrphanAxis Nov 30 '22

It's for the best. One day the robots will will be out trusted helpers and life-long companions, and while Philly watches that just out of reach, they'll feel left out and reexamine their violent ways, and realize "If I want a robot, I'm going to have to shoot and stab robots in towns within a thirty-mile radius"

Ah, brotherly love

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u/Rodney890 Nov 30 '22

He was a real one 😔

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u/Roboticide Nov 30 '22

There was a post in /r/technology or /r/science the other day about researchers coming up with an algorithm to help a little lobby robot avoid abuse from children.

Just one of those ones that will greet you and answer simple questions, maybe guide you to a certain level or room. It had to be programmed to stick near a child's mother or avoid groups of children, because they were damaging them.

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u/InSummaryOfWhatIAm Nov 30 '22

That's why you create robots that can do both tasks and attack.

Amazon delivery drones with in-built tasers and pepper spray, what could go wrong?

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u/erthian Nov 30 '22

Oh good my new spatulas are here AAHH WTFFFF

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u/InSummaryOfWhatIAm Nov 30 '22

If you don't get Amazon Prime Pro Plus Max for $249 a month, you will be tased every time you get a delivery, and it will launch the package through your windows, and will choose a closed window every time.

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u/TacticlTwinkie Nov 30 '22

R.I.P. Hitchbot

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u/tanarchy7 Nov 30 '22

I too have seen that robot get destroyed in Philly.

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u/Tastewell Nov 30 '22

"Godspeed, little shit eater."

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u/Mookie_Merkk Nov 30 '22

"Directive 37-109 states any source of trash shall be removed by any means necessary. I have determined that humans create trash, therefore they must be purged from this Earth." - one of these robots in the future or something

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u/Kris-pness Nov 30 '22

SF cops watching all these Ukraine combat footage with drones going "noooooooooo WAY, it's that easy"

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u/WalrusCoocookachoo Nov 30 '22

I'm gonna start hooking up grenades to drones. Is that legal?

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u/wackywavingarmgumby Nov 30 '22

"I will make it legal" - palps wannabe

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u/TheSpiceIsLife Nov 30 '22

Go with a shaped charge

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u/Goufydude Nov 30 '22

Shaped charge is good against armor. Fragmentation munitions are better against infantry. Cops are, largely, infantry. These are two entirely unrelated facts.

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u/ben70 Nov 30 '22

Ah, friend - infantry are trained. Most US cops are not trained to any meaningful standard.

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u/Spanktronics Nov 30 '22

Who gives a fuck, the police just declared drone warfare on the public. Time to go hunting.

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u/ourlastchancefortea Nov 30 '22

If you are a police officer, probably yes. /s

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u/thunderkhawk Nov 30 '22

No need for the /s. If you're a cop, it's not only most likely legal, you may even get a promotion for "Out of the box" thinking like that one LEO who sniped that dude speeding.

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u/ACarefulTumbleweed Nov 30 '22

Philly police dropped basically an IED from a helicopter down on some black folks in 1985 in the MOVE Bombing

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u/positiveornothing Nov 30 '22

And didn't apologize until late 2020

And tried and failed to cremate remains from the event without permission from family members.

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u/HeyIJustSaid Nov 30 '22

MOVE is always the most well known by average people, but not the most analogous considering even then there was a lot of pushback and (eventually) some changes/delayed consequences/apology. Plus, that incident was a long time ago so it’s easier for much of the public to blow off.

The far more scary (to us in the modern US) incident was the fairly recent killing of a suspect in Dallas with a bomb-carrying robot. That this happened so recently, with little condemnation, little national coverage, no consequences, etc. should frighten every American.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dallas-suspect-first-experts-say/

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u/KnownMonk Nov 30 '22

The killing robots are already here. All Skynet has to do is to take over command.

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u/arjungmenon Nov 30 '22

Do you have any links/articles on the robot pictured in your link?

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u/SPReferences Nov 30 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome To The Stars

Incidentally, San Francisco entered into a contract with Cyberdyne Systems and the project is called Skynet.

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u/TheBrave-Zero Nov 30 '22

Too many things are lining up here, Arnold was governor, robots, big tech in cali, do we need Arnold back?

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u/URAPNS Nov 30 '22 Silver Helpful

He'll be back.

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u/TheBrave-Zero Nov 30 '22

The governator 2: battle for frisco

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u/nickmaran Nov 30 '22

2029 is just 7 years away

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u/goodfe11ow Nov 30 '22

Bring back da governor!

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u/Jakesummers1 Nov 30 '22

Bring back da Governator!

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u/nickmaran Nov 30 '22

Hasta la vista baby

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u/vuthatora Nov 30 '22

Anybody seen chopping mall?

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u/a-manda_hugandkiss Nov 30 '22

On a glorious hungover Saturday with my 2 besties. I really was expecting more serial killer slashing but I was not disappointed by robot lasers.

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u/vuthatora Nov 30 '22

That was my main thing I wanted to see robots killing stupid teenagers but then I realized the robots r literally cops so fuckem

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u/Sweaty-Emergency-493 Nov 30 '22

Why do you think the T-1000 was a cop?

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u/barejokez Nov 30 '22

To flip the script on viewers. Having watched T1, you assumed Arnold would be the bad guy, and the other guy being a police officer reinforced that idea.

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u/AJWulf Nov 30 '22

YESSS! I have been recommending it to everyone since seeing it years ago.

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u/duvallg Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

A goddamn classic along with the extraordinarily tangential to this conversation Night of the Comet. But yeah, Chopping Mall is a glorious example of 80s robotic gore schlock.

I find it more interesting that a science-fiction fueled San Francisco of all places decided to now openly violate the Three Laws of Robotics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

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u/phil67 Nov 30 '22

Night of the Comet, omg. I've seen it once after my wife raved about it and it honestly was entertaining haha.

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u/epic_pork Nov 30 '22

Through RedLetterMedia, of course!

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u/Shadow0fnothing Nov 30 '22

I can't tell if you're joking anymore.

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u/RaceHard Nov 30 '22

There is a company that does coms/surveillance infrastructure called skynet. and there is one cyberdyne that does exoskeletons.

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 30 '22

...we are SO screwed!

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u/Mentos13371 Nov 30 '22

Kinda weird that Cyberdyne now exists. They make exoskeletons apparently and are based in Japan.

As for Skynet, that exists as well. It's the name of China's mass surveilance system. Some scary shit right there.

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u/Grodd Nov 30 '22

If that's true then they are playing the tone deaf Olympics. I guess that isn't new.

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u/thungalope Nov 30 '22

On the contrary, tone deaf seems to be in now for the majority of the worlds leadership

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u/Egad86 Nov 30 '22

This sounds more robocop than terminator.

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u/Islero47 Nov 30 '22

Robocop was only great for three reasons:

He eventually fought the police force

He eventually fought the corporation

He shot that guy in the junk that one time

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u/Redbeard_Rum Nov 30 '22

Yep, should be OCP, not Cyberdyne Systems.

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u/CoryTheDuck Nov 30 '22

This is Robo Cop, not Terminator..

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u/LowAwareness7603 Nov 30 '22 'MURICA

Everybody gangsta until you have 20 seconds to comply.

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u/candyowenstaint Nov 30 '22

YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS TO COMPLY

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u/TheTerrasque Nov 30 '22 Helpful

Don't worry, we'll just take the stairs

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u/Wiseon321 Nov 30 '22

“Stairs!!!! My arch nemesis! Nooo!!!”

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u/LordGalen Nov 30 '22

[pig squeal noises]

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Nov 30 '22

You call this a glitch?!

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u/49thDipper Nov 30 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Somebody got a fat contract. What could possibly go wrong

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u/piekenballen Nov 30 '22

"The law says so" "it was an incredible difficult discussion... the height of my bribe"

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u/CasperWithAJ Nov 30 '22

Lets just say it moved me… TO A BIGGER HOUSE

Oops I said the quiet part out loud

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u/DataIsMyCopilot Nov 30 '22

The law:

But explicit authorization was required after a new California law went into effect this year requiring police and sheriffs departments to inventory military-grade equipment and seek approval for their use

So couldn't they have, I dont know, not authorized them and still be in compliance with the law?

Fucking wild this is coming out of SF tbh. I expect this headline for pretty much anywhere else.

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u/Gangreless Nov 30 '22

No way killbots connected to a network could ever be hacked

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u/nordic-nomad Nov 30 '22

I was going to say. The things better not be connected to the internet.

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u/yeags Nov 30 '22

Just make them fully autonomous. Problem solved. /s

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u/DJOMaul Nov 30 '22

No you are actually on to something. Let's also give them the ability to repair themselves so there isn't any potential for humans to directly hack them.... And let's make them powered from any biomass that they can automatically convert, that way their fuel supply isn't possibly corrupted...

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u/Child_of_LocLac Nov 30 '22

Production might be an issue...I know, let's give them the capability to self replicate. Think of all the profits we can make by automating that process.

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u/fafnir47 Nov 30 '22

This sounds like a wonderful idea that has no way of going wrong, lets make them near unhackable to keep anyone but us from controlling them too. Nothing could go wrong.

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u/Drexelhand Nov 30 '22

Omni Consumer Products (OCP) wishes the city of san Francisco a merry Christmas.

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u/colmatrix33 Nov 30 '22

"Dead or alive, you're coming with me"

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u/McFunkerton Nov 30 '22

This Robocop quote was the first thing that popped into my head… followed by the giant robot thing that kills the exec during its demonstration.

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u/vortigaunt64 Nov 30 '22

YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO COMPLY

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u/hardgeeklife Nov 30 '22

YOU NOW HAVE 20 SECONDS TO CONPLY

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u/squeagy Nov 30 '22

I was flipping through the channels when I was maybe 10 and started watching at this exact scene, I was traumatized

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u/0Pat Nov 30 '22

5,4,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3...

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u/DexM23 Nov 30 '22

Maybe i shouldnt have fired the people who wrote the least codelines

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u/dikkemoarte Nov 30 '22

If it's written in C it might actually jump from zero to maximum unsigned int value lol.

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u/Tastewell Nov 30 '22

"...despite widespread reports of malfunctions."

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u/Independent_Pear_429 Nov 30 '22

That movie was a dystopia let's not forget

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u/Tastewell Nov 30 '22

Now it's a blueprint.

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u/rebbsitor Nov 30 '22

San Francisco: You know me, I'm down with OCP

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u/themusicmusicjb Nov 30 '22

Can't imagine this ending terribly

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u/Omni33 Nov 30 '22

Or shot because the cop can't run

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u/pseudoportmanteau Nov 30 '22

Nowadays I use reddit to find out exactly which cities/states to never, ever visit under any circumstances when they brag about shit like this.

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u/Brook030 Nov 30 '22

Remember all the science fiction that writers wrote as a warning about the future? Well it's here.

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u/jfb1337 Nov 30 '22

We created the Torment Vortex from the classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Vortex

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u/djoecav Nov 30 '22

Fuck me it's every dark science fiction movie at once these last few years

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u/amido-black Nov 30 '22

Ooh like Animatrix toooo

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u/dragonmp93 Nov 30 '22

Well, there is people saying that we should dim the sun to deal with the global warming.

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u/Neriek Nov 30 '22 Silver

RoboCop: Terminator Edition.

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u/NinjaGuyColter118 Nov 30 '22

[menacingly] Please put down your weapon. You have twenty seconds to comply.

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u/BostonDodgeGuy Nov 30 '22

He didn't hear the gun drop! He didn't hear it!

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u/Mazon_Del Nov 30 '22

Is that something one of the technicians says in the background? I'd never noticed!

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u/BostonDodgeGuy Nov 30 '22

Yes, right after you hear the guy yell "Don't touch him!"

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u/PM_ME_UR_RSA_KEY Nov 30 '22

Someone call a goddamn paramedic!

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u/oakayey Nov 30 '22

I’m sure it was just a glitch

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u/MrGaffe Nov 30 '22

“Counting down! 20!” bang bang bang bang bang

“Thank you for complying”

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u/Independent_Pear_429 Nov 30 '22

I'm sure their police cameras will be turned off for some reason

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u/nahchan Nov 30 '22

Aw shit, San Fran's property tax about to jump through the roof from all the property damage and lawsuits caused from subduing petty crime criminals.

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u/SirJamesMonster Nov 30 '22

Five o'clock news: Recidivism rates dropping across the Bay area. In unrelated news, another CopBot case has been settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. In still more unrelated news, Bay area residents should expect higher property tax rates, according to anonymous sources within the police department.

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u/Sweaty-Emergency-493 Nov 30 '22

Homeless Cop: AI Edition

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u/Neotokyon7 Nov 30 '22

My first thought seeing this headline was “shouldn’t this be in Detroit?”

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u/GameDrain Nov 30 '22

I'm generally willing to give benefit of the doubt for a lot of things, but this is absolutely not one of them. Shut it down.

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u/Crunkbutter Nov 30 '22

No, don't you get it? If the cops send robots with guns in, then they won't feel threatened so they won't have a reason to shoot people with their guns!

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u/skelingtun Nov 30 '22

The bot killed him not me! Do the bots also get immunity?

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u/pinkwonderwall Nov 30 '22

According to I, Robot (2004), murder is defined as one human killing another, so…

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u/NapalmRDT Nov 30 '22

Yeah... we need Asimov's Robot Laws in here real quick

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u/TheRealKidkudi Nov 30 '22

Well, if it makes you feel any better:

The San Francisco Police Department said it does not have pre-armed robots and has no plans to arm robots with guns. But the department could deploy robots equipped with explosive charges “to contact, incapacitate, or disorient violent, armed, or dangerous suspect” when lives are at stake

So no biggie, you won’t be getting shot by a robot anytime soon. They’ll just be used to deliver a bomb armed just for you!

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u/Unoriginal_Man Nov 30 '22

And, if I'm reading this right, the only reason the city needed to approve this is because of a California State law that went into effect requiring approval of all military equipment purchases by police departments, so prior to that law they could have proceeded with explodey bots without needing government approval.

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u/Stuckinatrafficjam Nov 30 '22

This takes away the ability for cops to say they feared for their lives, right? So what’s the point of allowing the robots to kill? That’s the reason cops and their defenders keep using to justify their shoot first, ask questions later mentality.

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u/berlinbaer Nov 30 '22

police property

they will find a way to classify these things as more than property you know.

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u/nombre1 Nov 30 '22

And they'll charge you with assaulting an officer if you try to resist or disable the killbot.

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u/Beliriel Nov 30 '22

The price of jammers will skyrocket.

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u/chikkinnveggeeze Nov 30 '22

They could be threatening the lives of other random people.

I'm not down for this but just saying... That question is easy.

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u/Tiny-Peenor Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Horrifying precedent. This needs to be outlawed nationally.

Police cannot be trusted with guns, let alone with killer robots.

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u/phdoofus Nov 30 '22

Buying lethal robots is easier on their brains and more politically palatable than actually solving the problems requiring such intensive policing.

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u/Reedsandrights Nov 30 '22

No, don't you see? Some people are just born bad and enjoy doing bad things for fun and that is the only cause of crime to ever happen. We just need to make the bads more scared to do bad things. There's no other way! Just like my parents told me when they hit me to build mindless obedience character.

/S

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u/Grodd Nov 30 '22

The ruling class thinks everyone else has nefarious intent because of their own scumminess being projected.

They think the "poors" are dangerous because THEY THEMSELVES would be if they were in the same situation.

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u/69SassyPoptarts Nov 30 '22

Luckily, these things are at least remote-controlled. For a second I thought they’d be using AI and once given a signal/target to kill would just latch on and go full terminator mode

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u/Tiny-Peenor Nov 30 '22

Not in their budget yet

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u/Rhaski Nov 30 '22 Dread

So it puts another degree of separation between killer and killed. Another buffer between action and consequence. It makes it easier to kill, not just physically, but emotionally. It makes the act of shooting a person a much less visceral and impactful experience for the shooter. Regardless of whether it's the right call or not, it should never be made easier for someone in a position of authority to take a life. AI would just be the next step in dehumanising the target into nothing more than a data point. I hate that this is even considered a viable option, let alone being enacted after passing through multiple people who could have said "using rovots to kill people might not be in the best interests of the public"

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u/buyfreemoneynow Nov 30 '22

I know it’s not much comfort, but drone pilots have the highest rate of suicide of most other military-related jobs.

It turns out that degree of separation doesn’t create much of an emotional barrier, but rather makes the operator feel more existentially linked to their own humanity when their shift is up. On a deep level, their psyche cannot ignore how fucked up it is.

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u/Akuuntus Nov 30 '22

Sure, but the military doesn't select for sociopaths like the cops do.

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u/Uberslaughter Nov 30 '22

Oh good, now the trigger happy cops can shoot unarmed black people from miles away behind a screen in an air conditioned room.

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u/SlightlyAngyKitty Nov 30 '22

At least they can't use "I felt like my life was in danger." as an excuse.

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u/Hoooooooar Nov 30 '22

The robot will be deemed a police life.

Also these will be used on protestors first. I can guarantee it.

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u/Soad1x Nov 30 '22

Reminds me of tweet or something about how robots and ai will get recognized as being human in the eyes of the law when a police one is destroyed and they use it as an excuse to treat it as murder.

Under it someone says to stop, we don't need any prophecies about it.

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u/willreignsomnipotent Nov 30 '22

"I feared for the safety of my robot."

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u/Childofcaine Nov 30 '22

Property has always had more value to police than your life.

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u/Tastewell Nov 30 '22 Starry

Are you kidding? They'll contract it out as a third job to sleep-deprived, over-caffeinated working stiffs in a third world country.

If you've never seen sleep dealer, you should. It's a gem.

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u/hraun Nov 30 '22

This looks awesome. I looked all over Netflix, Prime etc for it, and finally found that you can stream it off the films website. For anyone else who’s interested; https://www.sleepdealer.com/

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u/burkechrs1 Nov 30 '22

Is there a clause in the law that forbids autonomous operation?

Because if not it's only a matter of how long until the tech is cheap enough for the city to add it to the budget.

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u/mriners Nov 30 '22

There is nothing prohibiting autonomous operation. But this policy just outlines the use case for their current equipment (required by a new state law). Under a different city ordinance, the department would have to get permission before getting / using new technology. In theory, if they adapted current technology to be armed and autonomous they’d have to get permission for that too. The city would probably approve it

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u/therobshock Nov 30 '22

It should be banned internationally

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u/Supero-Omnia Nov 30 '22

I don’t trust either of them

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u/berlinbaer Nov 30 '22

dont forget the next step: they will classify those robots as police officers so you tripping over a hunk of metal will count as violent felony immediately or something..

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u/nanny2359 Nov 30 '22

Reminds me of a story where a suspect was choked, puked in the officers boot, and was charged with "destruction of city properly" for it - no other charges cuz they didn't have a reason to stop & frisk him to begin with

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u/nopointers Nov 30 '22

Skip the hack. How long until some “authorized user” or sysadmin (shudder) goes on a rampage?

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u/mmrs34 Nov 30 '22

What in the 1984 is going on here? Terrifying precedent being set.

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u/knightress_oxhide Nov 30 '22

maybe they should buy robots that clean up piss.

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u/shmorky Nov 30 '22

Damn that Pissmaster and his heat seeking pissiles

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u/DomesticatedDreams Nov 30 '22

Supervisor Connie Chan, a member of the committee that forwarded the proposal to the full board, said she understood concerns over use of force but that “according to state law, we are required to approve the use of these equipments. So here we are, and it’s definitely not a easy discussion.”

what state law is this person talking about? I'm not a CA resident

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u/Divallo Nov 30 '22 Wholesome

Giving police AR15s wasn't enough? The fully armored SWAT teams weren't enough either? Okay what about the FLIR helicopters and the armored vehicles? No? Okay sure did you try the attack dogs?! How about the tear gas and flashbangs and grenade launchers?

Is that not enough shit for you?!

Who the fuck actually thinks police need remote control IEDs?

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u/jotarowinkey Nov 30 '22 Starry

politicians paid by lobbyists.

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u/jasonefmonk Nov 30 '22

I’m pretty sure the ‘I’ in I.E.D. stands for ‘Improvised’. I don’t think these proposed robots would qualify.

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u/nombre1 Nov 30 '22

You're overestimating the build quality of these robots.

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u/Coolflip Nov 30 '22

A literal r/c car with explosives duct taped to it lol.

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u/MantisAteMyFace Nov 30 '22

Maybe instead of stupid reddit joke comments for karma, can we talk about:

  • Who authorized this?

  • What company is providing the robots?

  • Where are they being deployed?

  • How much is it going to cost SF when every one of these gets destroyed?

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u/zimbaboo Nov 30 '22
  1. San Francisco city supervisors in an 8–3 vote; civili liberties groups opposed vehemently.

  2. No company providing robots yet. The vote was provided to authorize use; no near-term plans.

  3. Only to be deployed in extremely high-risk situations where there is an armed perpetrator and several lives of victims are at stake. An example given was in 2017 in Dallas, TX, where a robot delivered localized explosions to a sniper who holed himself up and had already killed 5 officers in an ambush.

  4. No orders or near-term plans are currently in place.

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u/GoatBased Nov 30 '22

No company providing robots yet. The vote was provided to authorize use; no near-term plans.

The police department already has these robots. They acquired them between 2010 and 2017, and are only now being required to seek approval for their use by a new law.

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u/JBirdale77 Nov 30 '22

“I’ll buy that for a dollar”!!! 🤖💀

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u/President_Nixon1 Nov 30 '22

Y’all complain about guns and Americans 2A rights but let me tell you, there’s a reason why the 2A is in the constitution. San Francisco is a prime example. Which is it? Government will protect you or government is tyranny? Come on Reddit.

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u/Kylie_Forever Nov 30 '22

Robocop is a documentary

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u/Asharmy Nov 30 '22

Ah wonderful, more state power and a step closer to authoritarian tyranny

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